FUV Beta Series

[Kepesk]

S10.17.1.2.2 If the headlamps are horizontally disposed about the vertical centerline, the distance between the closest edges of their effective projected luminous lens areas must not be greater than 200 mm.

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?no...6.571_1108

[Ozman]

Wonder why they didn't consider putting the lights on the wheel fairings? This would work like adaptive headlights on newer cars, that point as you steer, combine that with a center mounted one for M/C requirements and you'd have that and great visibility as well

[ricschug]

Federal NHTSA Motorcycle Manufacturing requirements to validate the FUV (Fun Utility Motorcycle).  Lamps, reflective devices, and associated equipment page 35:

https://www.nhtsa.gov/DOT/NHTSA/Rulemaki...pkg002.pdf

Thanks Rickb.
So based on what it says ("On the front, on the vertical centerline, except that if two are used they shall be
symmetrically disposed about the vertical centerline.") I don't see any issue with the original two.

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S10.17.1.2.2   If the headlamps are horizontally disposed about the vertical centerline, the distance between the closest edges of their effective projected luminous lens areas must not be greater than 200 mm.

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?no...6.571_1108

Kepseck, just looked at your link. What idiot came up with that regulation. I guess it just show how out of hand government regulations have become. Hopefully AM has at least one full time person to deal with it all.

[Rickb]

The original 2 apparently don’t fall within the spacing requirements.  I can only assume as a non-motorcycle rider, that headlamp regulation requirement is all about visibility and safety.  The FUV will be my first motorcycle purchase in 55 years as a licensed driver and I prefer it to be highly visible (day or night) and the safest fun utility motorcycle on the planet. ?

[ricschug]

The original 2 apparently don’t fall within the spacing requirements.  I can only assume as a non-motorcycle rider, that headlamp regulation requirement is all about visibility and safety.  The FUV will be my first motorcycle purchase in 55 years as a licensed driver and I prefer it to be highly visible (day or night) and the safest fun utility motorcycle on the planet. ?

The regulations have nothing to do with visibility or safety; in fact they are just the opposite which is why I find them stupid. For visibility and therefor safety a larger footprint is always better than a smaller one. So the farther apart the headlights are the more visible the FUV will be. I've ridden motorcycles all my life and visibility has always been an issue. This is why trikes, extra lights, driving lights, etc have always been used to improve a bikes visibility to others.

[Rickb]

Exactly..........and the NHTSA motorcycle lamp spacing/positioning/reflector and other equipment requirements for maximum visibility to others will also hold true for the FUV as the engineers work out the minor details required for Arcimoto’s motorcycle validation.

The Canadian manufactured SOLO is going through the same USA motorcycle validation process and was required to add a center light for their USA imports, because the dual headlights were to low and widely spaced.

The Arcimoto FUV and the EMV Solo will have both wide spaced and center head lamps That should better enable the driver/rider to see and be seen by other drivers.  I don’t see it as an issue.  I hope it USA validates quickly and I can finally take delivery.

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The FUV’s validated headlamp configuration may appear similar to the CanAm Spyder’s.

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I found this article interesting and confirmed the added safety logic of three headlights.

http://www.thedrive.com/motorcycles/2037...visibility

[ben]

This may be an interim step to meet State motorcycle classification requirements.  A more integrated design will probably show up in the production model is my bet.

Exactly..........and the NHTSA motorcycle lamp spacing/positioning/reflector and other equipment requirements for maximum visibility to others will also hold true for the FUV as the engineers work out the minor details required for Arcimoto’s motorcycle validation.

The Canadian manufactured SOLO is going through the same USA motorcycle validation process and was required to add a center light for their USA imports, because the dual headlights were to low and widely spaced.

The Arcimoto FUV and the EMV Solo will have both wide spaced and center head lamps That should better enable the driver/rider to see and be seen by other drivers.  I don’t see it as an issue.  I hope it USA validates quickly and I can finally take delivery.

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The FUV’s validated headlamp configuration may appear similar to the CanAm Spyder’s.

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I found this article interesting and confirmed the added safety logic of  three headlights.

http://www.thedrive.com/motorcycles/2037...visibility

if three headlights = added safety

then when I get my FUV, I'm going all in for safety and adding a "truckster" cluster of headlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzXN5sQ5g-U

huh,... that got me thinking, I might even opt in for the enclosure and add phake wood paneling, along w/ hood bling

https://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=239352

and go to comic con in a "comic book guy" costume

https://carboncostume.com/comic-book-guy/

[AnimalCage]

I agree with Ozman. Lights on the wheel fairings would be great. If it comes without anything on the fairings, I will play around with something... maybe reflector tape.

[jimball]

I added a pair of auxiliary driving lights to my Silver wing.  They add a lot to the visibility of the trike from the viewpoint of other drivers.  I'm thinking of replacing them (50w halogens) with a higher lumen-lower amp draw pair of LED lights.  Adding auxiliary lights to the FUV, if one thinks they are needed, should not be difficult, although I think the current light placement plus the new center-mount lights should be more than adequate.